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Rumble Fish
USA, France
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Francis Ford Coppola
Maybelle Wallace as Late Pass Clerk
Glenn Withrow as Biff Wilcox
William Smith as Patterson the Cop
Diana Scarwid as Cassandra
Vincent Spano as Steve
Matt Dillon as Rusty James
Tom Waits as Benny
Diane Lane as Patty
Nicolas Cage as Smokey
Michael Higgins as Mr. Harrigan
Mickey Rourke as The Motorcycle Boy
Chris Penn as B.J. Jackson (as Christopher Penn)
Dennis Hopper as Father
Laurence Fishburne as Midget (as Larry Fishburne)
Storyline: Rusty James is the leader of a small, dying gang in an industrial town. He lives in the shadow of the memory of his absent, older brother -- The Motorcycle Boy. His mother has left, his father drinks, school has no meaning for him and his relationships are shallow. He is drawn into one more gang fight and the events that follow begin to change his life.
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My favourite film so might as well comment on it.
I first watched this film back in the early 90's when I was about 14 or 15. A good time to watch a film about gangs, drinking, drugs and sex I guess, especially when its filmed in black & white with a delicate but memorable soundtrack.

For me, a young boy living on a farm in Northern England this film and its story may seem a million miles away from how my life was but in fact it wasn't. Not in terms of the story but more in terms of the ideologies behind it. The film epitomises coolness and emits an aura of mystique around it.

I'm not going to describe the plot or story; I'll let the film do that. I just want to talk about the feelings this films can give you from watching. Watch while your young if you can, approx from around 13 - 17. It's not a kid's film though, far from it. Its just this film can give teenagers a feeling of elation and also make them question who they are, where they are going more whilst as a teenager than an adult.

I hope all this doesn't sound superficial and sensational but I really do think you should see this film as an experience rather than just another visual pleasure.
Man, this was like really bad Man!!!!
This film begins interestingly enough and sets out the foundation for what could have potentially been a good film, but the further the film progressed the less interested I became in what happened....

I think the biggest problem with this film is that it doesn't really explore what I expected to be the central theme to the film - which is the relationship between Rusty James (Matt Dillon) and his brother The Motorcycle boy (Mickey Rourke). The relationship between the two brothers wasn't developed particularly well; why was The Motorcycle boy such a hero before he went? What went on before he left? The film sets him up as a hero, but doesn't really explain why or how he ended up being so highly regarded. Rusty's character is a little bit easier to understand - he's an impressionable young man who wants to be just like his big brother, perhaps carry on his legacy, but again why? What was he fighting for? Nothing is ever really explained. Added to all of this we have a police officer that seems to have it in for the Motorcycle boy for reasons that will be only known to scriptwriters.

All of the above is bad enough, but what really annoyed me about this film is how boring it was, apart from the big fight early on nothing really happens. We seem to be just treated to a lot of dialogue that's either boring or downright annoying - seriously how many times was the word 'Man' used in the script? Even though it's only 90 minutes long I really struggled to make it to the end.

Let's look at the acting; Mickey Rourke seems to sleep walk through this film, looked bored and looked like he wanted to be somewhere else. Dillon tried his best, but just comes off as annoying. Cage was wooden and Penn was given nothing to do. Hopper probably fared the best, but his character was so thinly written that no-one will care anyway.

At one point Rusty has an 'out of body' experience which added nothing to the film other than an increased running time. The film also seemed to meander and wander without really making any sort of a point.

Just when you think it can't get any worse the film ends in possibly one of the most stupid of ways; The Motorcycle boy steals some fish from a pet store and intends to set them free. However, when the police catch up with him he's shot and killed when he tries to run off. Hang on, why would they shoot and kill him? Because he's armed with some fish? Then his kid brother takes hold of the fish and places them in the river and then the police let him go?? All of this was stupid beyond words.

To sum it up, it was dreadful and a complete waste of 90 minutes of my life!
A Long Lost Hit From Francis Ford Coppola
After hearing such rave reviews, I really was excited to see Francis Ford Coppola's indie classic 'Rumble Fish'. The film was shot in black and white and it had an expansive cast of talented actors including Matt Dillon, Mickey Rourke, Dennis Hopper, Diane Lane, Laurence Fishburne, Tom Waits and Nicolas Cage. I enjoyed Francis Ford Coppola's other films like Apocalypse Now and of course The Godfather Parts I, II & III. From what I heard it was filmed kind of like this year's smash hit 'Sin City' ('Rumble Fish' was black & white but with dashes of color) only on a smaller scale. I rented this indie sensation when I was on vacation because they had it in the hotel video store. I couldn't find it in the Blockbusters in Arizona (where I live) and my portable DVD player was acting up so I couldn't view the DVDs I brought a long with me for the trip. It may have been just fate that I got the opportunity to view Coppola's 'Rumble Fish', definitely one of the most, if not the most inventive motion pictures I ever gazed my eyes upon.

The film is set in a 1950s - 1970s setting. With it's black & white color and just the way the film is presented it gives the audience a feel of the old 1930s James Cagney crime noir flicks. It follows a young and dumb hoodlum named Rusty James (Matt Dillon), whose the leader of one of the two gangs in town. After a huge rumble played out like a West Side Story scene from hell, Rusty is left hurt real bad when the opposing gang leader stabbed him in the gut with a switchblade. Coming to Rusty James' rescue is his older brother, The Motorcycle Boy (Mickey Rourke) who hasn't shown his face in town for a year after disappearing to California. The Motorcycle Boy helps his younger brother out, and eventually starts to hang around the neighborhood more. From there, the plot follows the two re-united brothers as they hang around the streets and cause trouble, while the Motorcycle Boy tries to teach his less then intelligent brother the meaning of life. Dennis Hopper stars as Rusty James and the Motorcyle Boy's dad, Diane Lane stars as Rusty James' sweet friend, Tom Waits stars as the grill master in the town's diner, and Chris Penn, Laurence Fishburne and a young Nicolas Cage are featured as some of Rusty James' gang buddies.

First of all, I adored the way 'Rumble Fish' was shot. With his extraordinary talent, director Francis Ford Coppola really creates a thing of beauty and opulence with 'Rumble Fish'. The only real downside of this picture is that the plot drags entirely too much, and that's pretty bad for a film running only 90 minutes. The writing is mostly good, but 'Rumble Fish' seems to be missing a real plot. The film substitutes hypnotic cinematography and cool scenery for an easy-to-follow plot, which in my opinion is a big mistake. Although this kind of bugs me, 'Rumble Fish' is a good film for the most part. The acting is superb with a engrossing and passionate performance by a very young Matt Dillon and a powerful and carefully layered performance by Mickey Rourke who in my opinion should have gotten an Oscar nod for Best Supporting Actor. Diane Lane is very good in one of her first roles, Dennis Hopper plays the alcoholic clueless dad perfectly and Tom Waits is a pleasure to watch. Nicolas Cage and Laurence Fishburne are also rock solid. If you want to see a film that's really out there and full of likable qualities, I'd recommend picking up 'Rumble Fish' your next stop to the video store. Chances are you'll find something or somethings to love about it. Grade: B
I thought I was the only one who loved this movie
I was surprised about how many people wrote good reviews about this movie.I thought I was the only only one who appreciated the artistic value of Rumble Fish.It's my favorite movie and it finally got the special edition DVD it deserves.Most people don't get the deeper meaning of the film because nowadays people don't wanna think too hard watching a movie.It's a piece of art just as much as it is entertainment.You can get lost in the film for the visual and musical boundaries it pushes.I've watched it a thousand times and I never lost my appreciation for it's beauty.It's groundbreaking and a masterpiece in film making.
A gorgeous and emotional film
I recently watched this for the second time -- I had to make sure that it was really as excellent as I felt it was on first viewing a decade or so ago. I'm convinced that it's a masterpiece, one of the best films I've seen from the 1980s and my very favorite film by Francis Ford Coppola. The source material is from a novel by S.E. Hinton, who also wrote Coppola's "The Outsiders." Now "Outsiders" is a very good film, especially for teenagers, and it featured a lot of up and coming stars. But it's pedestrian compared to this masterpiece.

This film has just about the best cast you could imagine in the early 80s -- look at the names: Mickey Rourke, Matt Dillon, Nic Cage, Chris Penn, Lawrence Fishburne, Dennis Hopper, Diane Lane, Tom Waits. Everyone gives exceptional performances, but especially Rourke and Dillon as a pair of misfit brothers trapped in their own identities within the mundane city they grew up in. The Motorcycle Boy (Rourke) is a local hero and Rusty James (Dillon) has lived in his shadow his entire life -- which he doesn't even seem to mind, since he's never aspired to anything more than becoming as much like him as possible.

"Acute perception" -- that's their father's (Hopper) way of describing the gifts that lift Motorcycle Boy above the norm -- and yet he is colorblind, just as we are while watching the black and white film. The color symbolism is used rather directly to convey to the audience that the "rumble fish", trapped in isolated cages where they would gladly kill each other or even their own reflections, are a metaphor for the brothers themselves. This is not a complex film in terms of what it's trying to convey or even how it says it -- what makes the film deeply interesting to me is the way that it makes beauty and magic out of the ordinary or the mundane. Coppola's camera is so incredibly close to the objects so much of the time, and the angle is so wide, that it makes ordinary objects or events appear hyper-real and cinematic. Along similar lines, Stewart Copeland's fascinating soundtrack is largely composed of rhythm tracks taken from "found" industrial noises. The objects in the field of vision are not what's special -- it's the method or the style of the vision itself, the perspective, that makes for the film's unique beauty.

A film that could have been obvious and even clichéd becomes extraordinarily textured and vibrant as a result. I can understand why not everyone on Earth was enamored of this film when it came out. But I feel personally compelled by this movie. I feel like it's really connecting with the characters and that it really is sincere about giving us a whole new perspective on the world of its creation. It's just the right amount of surreal, there's just something a bit "off" about just about every image here so that we know we're watching a movie. Such a heavily stylized approach coupled with a comparatively generic, though heartfelt, story could have turned into a disaster if all the elements had not come together right. I've never been 100% behind Coppola, because I do think that sometimes his style becomes oppressive and unnecessary. But this movie just came together the right way, at least for once in his professional life. The dangerous kind of magic that Coppola seeks actually worked here, and he created a film about teenagers to rival his protégé Lucas' "American Graffiti" or even Nick Ray's "Rebel Without a Cause." The kinds of elements that only worked sporadically on "Apocalypse Now" or the more measured and conservative "Godfather" films was firing on all cylinders in this case. A lot of credit goes to his talented collaborators, of course, but Coppola in this case was able to harness his talent and focus it on the task at hand to create a film that looms larger than all the talents involved, including his own.
Gorgeous images, uncompelling characters...
Set in an indiscriminate time and place, Francis Coppola's "Rumble Fish" looks like a cross between "Rebel Without a Cause" and "The Last Picture Show". Matt Dillon, used mainly for his James Dean-like sneer and bravado, plays rebellious younger brother to legendary, motorcycle-riding hellraiser Mickey Rourke, now living in a seedy dive with a heroin-shooting girl. Coppola, too closely following up S.E. Hinton's "The Outsiders" with this darker-tinged Hinton material, creates crystalline perfection with his black-and-white images--arty but not abstract, and visually quite satisfying--but the pacing flags early without any charismatic characters. The cast (with Dillon, Diane Lane, and Nicolas Cage in particular looking so youthful and eager) is a terrific ensemble, but partnered with this barbed, impenetrable script, the actors come off as blank dolts. The results are artificial in every sense, though not uninteresting. *1/2 from ****
really interesting sound design
I watched this movie a long time ago and remember not being terribly impressed from an action standpoint, but re-watching it now I was able to appreciate the artistic side of it more especially in the sound design

Mickey Rourke (who looks pretty amazing in this movie and very un-eighties) is colour blind and partially deaf and so the movie is in black and white and has a sound which is artificially reverberant and surreal. There is very little production sound present and the soundtrack has more or less been completely done from scratch like would be expected in an animated movie for example. It's really quite sparse and the results are extremely interesting. The music is also very unusual in a good way, and it's difficult to date the film from the soundtrack

Because of the way the movie was made it avoids many of the clichés present in most 80's films and has largely aged really well

Well worth a watch
Rumble Fish: a title that saying everything
The title manages to perfectly express and synthesize the plot and the meaning of the film. The story unfolds around the figure of Rusty James (Dillon) who metaphorically and literally struggles to be accepted as a leader among the boys in Tulsa (Oklahoma) that fight is countered by the figure of the idyllic brother Motorcycle boy (Rourke) of the young, undisputed boss At the time of the repentant youth bands, returned after a period in California now grown and disillusioned by the dynamics of the small center of the province.During the film there is a symbolic passage of deliveries between the older brother and the smallest who will not be without consequences. They are the rumble fishes that fight in the absence of living space as a fish in front of a mirror. This image, which is presented to us in the fish shop scene, serves to frame Rumble James's rivalry against his brother. The film is stylistically very peculiarly shot in a fake black and white (only 3 significant shots are in color) with shadows and a photograph with strong references to expressionist cinema (blades of light and shadows stretching), The camera is often at the level of the ground by framing the characters from below or taking them to the top, but keeping the depth of field that allows us to keep the attention that happens in the background. The story is told through a multiplication of narrative points: the main one is that of Motorcycle Boy that is color-blind (in fact the film is in black and white), then there is Steve (Spano) who writes everything that happens and the Rusty James point of view through his process of growth and existential harm. The gang- fighting scenes are almost danced, a clear tribute to West Side Story movie. Another feature that affects the eye is the constant presence of moving clouds (representing the timelessness) of the story or the smog, the puff puffs or the fog in almost every scene of the film. All this is marked and rippled by the stunning soundtrack of Stewart Copeland (police drummer) that accentuates the suspense with timid, stingy, stingy whispers, whispers in the background. Inside the soundtrack we also find the beautiful "Don't box me in" (non-casual title) sang by Stan Ridgway. Although the little success at the time of his release has subsequently become a cult film thanks to the cast, which includes, in addition to Dennis Hopper and Tom Waits, a host of young actors who will make Hollywood's fortune from Matt Dillon to Mickey Rourke Vincent Spano, Nicholas Cage and Diane Lane as well as a very young Sofia Coppola.
He Frees Them, Then Himself: Existential Free Fall
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I love two scenes in this classic. Where Motorcycle Boy decides it is time to go, he simply does not fit here anymore. As his last act on earth, he commits suicide by freeing the fighting fish which are existential metaphors for himself and the rest of the fighting men imprisoned in that reality. Have no illusions, he knew William Smith was itching to kill him and had been praying for an opportunity throughout the movie. It is such a beautiful scene, he takes them to the river though it costs him his life. They both are free; the whole movie Motorcycle boy had been trying to find a place but like the moving cloud temporal imagery, time had simply passed him by. The boyhood gang lord role looks to him like utter foolish insanity. He now has nothing but disgust and disdain for his former place, much to Rusty James' exasperation. Motorcycle boy is such an enigma to Rusty; he speaks in metaphors and similes that fly right over the top of Rusty's head. As the movie progresses, he gets more and more frustrated trying to fathom what on earth is wrong with his big brother. When he brags to dad that he is going to be just like him, Hopper gives him a worried, sad look and warns him,"You should pray not."

The other beautiful scene came before this scene when, before he commits suicide, Motorcycle Boy and Rusty go for one last ride together. Returning, for a few precious minutes, to the boyhood happiness they once shared. It is such a simple and moving scene seeing them enjoying their happiness together for the last time. The movie is about how society always has a limited set of roles for people to fill. If Motorcycle Boy lived during a war he would have been a great, heroic warrior. Or, if he lived during feudal times, he would find his role, the warrior, enshrined and truly have been at home. Here, he simply does not fit. When you watch the film many times, you will see that he intended to commit suicide, he just returned to say good bye. He revisits his life, the neighborhood, his girl, his dad and Rusty James. Rourke plays him with such power; he knows so much more than he says. When he does speak it is usually allegorical or metaphoric. He is surveying his world for the last time; he desperately is searching for an anchor but he finds none.

The evil cop simply bides his time. He circles over him like the jealous vulture he always was; he says it is because the kids think he is something he isn't. Crap, he was always jealous that he was the most powerful warrior there and could have squashed him, like the bug he was, if he cared enough to, he doesn't. Rusty is last seen riding away on Motorcycle Boy's bike, we sense he is going to the ocean and will too have an awakening dream. The temporal imagery is the only American movie I have seen that portrays time, as it really is, as utterly subjective and phenomenal. The recitation of mortality; you have this many summers left is sober and quite unique in any movie. It is slow and boring; you must study the imagery and listen to the words the Motorcycle Boy says, often almost in a whisper. I love the movie; it towers over the awful THE OUTSIDERS. A very deep powerful movie
Rumble Fish (1983), a great film from Francis Ford Coppola
"Rumble Fish" (1983) is a strange film which is very interesting and the reason I wanted to see it was because it's directed by Francis Ford Coppola (who also directed "the godfather trilogy"(1972,1974,1990) and "Apocalypse Now" (1979)that totally struck me with its content and direction. The first ever time I discovered Rumble Fish was a photograph in a total film magazine issue 2003 which had a comment next to it "Rumble Fish: Die Hard the early years?" And then afterwords I forgot about until I saw Apocalypse Now back in 2006 which stunned me and made me wanna find other films he'd directed and I found Rumble Fish. I've got the 2 disc special DVD and I have to say it was worth the money! It's filmed in black & white with colour sequences and the atmosphere is just great. It stars Matt Dillon, Mickey Rourke, Vincent Spano, Nicolas Cage & Dennis Hopper (who plays another great performance like in "Apoclaypse Now"). It also boasts a musical score by Stewart Copeland who's the drummer & co-founder of the rock group,"The Police". I just do't understand why this film wasn't very well received when it came out back in 1983. I read that when it premiered and when everyone was seated in the theater people started booing and walking out. Now for Francis Ford Coppola that must have been really painful but those people who walked out had no brains."Rumble Fish" is a very visual stunning adaptation of a novel which has everything to make it a great film: actors who are now great stars of Hollywood and have went on to do huge films, a great score, atmosphere,editing and direction which gives it a 10/10 rating.
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